39 thoughts on “FUCK!

  1. I agree with you sentiment.

    On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:05 AM, My Annoying Opinions wrote:



  2. Keep pretending that Hilary was on the side of righteousness if it helps you sleep better at night. The rich were always going to stay rich regardless of the outcome, and people like me can’t and won’t be able to afford secondary market Pappy. Your post should have been written months ago after they both won the nominations as it applies as much that day as it does today. You are no more fucked today than you were yesterday. Who whines louder after a loss…democrats or republicans? Hard to say as they’re both deafening…

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    • Well, I reject the equivalency that you are setting up: that because both Clinton and Trump were very flawed candidates that they were equally flawed or flawed in the same way.

      My response to the election at any rate is less about dismay at Clinton’s loss than about dismay at Trump’s win. Clinton’s election would have meant business as usual in a number of ways (as you seem to be suggesting); at worst, Clinton would have been yet another technocrat/plutocrat president. But Trump’s election is, in addition, a terrifying roll back in other ways that have to do with culture. As a brown immigrant (who is not a citizen) the election of Trump is existentially threatening to me in a way that the likelihood of the election of a Mitt Romney or a Jeb Bush (in the early going this time around) never was. This may still be only the last angry, sustained shriek of people who are on the wrong side of history but right now it’s hard to have that confidence.

      I think of my kids, born in the Obama era and now entering the Trump era, and wonder what this means for their lives in this country and in this state—Minnesota only went for Clinton by 2%; if not for Johnson and McMullin, Trump would have won Minnesota too. While I have no illusions that we’re in any sort of post-racist golden age after eight years of the Obama presidency, it was possible—and with a Clinton win would have continued to be possible—to believe that it could be possible, if not in my lifetime then in that of my kids. The Trump win shatters that completely. I worry about the America they will grow up in and I worry about what growing up in that America will do to them.

      And then, of course, there’re all the other things that separate Clinton from Trump…And while I’m generally wary of identity politics, it’s hard to believe that it’s 2016 and the USA has yet to elect a female chief executive and that it couldn’t do it even when presented a choice between a supremely qualified woman and a narcissistic conman.

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  3. Cheer up, MAO!
    Trump might bring much more people into activity (against him and what he stands for) than he can imagine today.
    Still need a dram of Caroni now!
    In solidarity, from Austria,


    • Though, to tell the truth, getting into Canada is tough. You have to be young, have a university degree or three, and preferably a job all lined up. Unless, of course, you are a refugee — for whom the rules are slightly different.


  4. Howdy MAO,

    As someone with a fiscally conservative/socially liberal slant (who couldn’t support either major party candidate with a clear conscience, I’m sorry to say), I would like to offer some words of support. Immigration is the fuel that feeds America’s engine of growth. While I PERSONALLY have grave concerns about combining hawkish foreign policy, a full system of entitlements, and open and welcoming borders, it is most certainly not the open and welcoming borders I wish to reduce/eliminate from the equation.

    A diverse multicultural America that respects the rights of the individual is what I believe will make America greater still. America needs all the colors, ethnicities, and creeds that it can get. Well, maybe not the band Creed. Or Day-glo orange skin.

    Anyway, it pains me to see our immigrant populace–our friends and neighbors–feel less welcome today than yesterday. I hope that trend does not continue.

    All the best,



  5. Solidarity, from the UK (which made our own Very Bad Decision a few months ago). Scary times when someone with so little regard for decency and the rule of law can be elected. Let’s just hope most of it was bluster and won’t actually come to pass (this is not meant to disregard your very real concerns).



  6. I don’t think Trump is ideologically driven in the way that a Ted Cruz is—I think that when it comes to a lot of the policy stuff his positions were just politically expedient: he’s a reality show guy who was willing to do/say whatever to not get voted off the island. But the GOP now controls all three branches of government and it’s hard to see how they don’t roll back a bunch of things they’ve been dying to roll back for years.

    But on the racist/xenophobic front Trump’s win has legitimized a lot of very ugly stuff. Some will say that it’s better that that stuff is out in the open but I don’t think anyone was ever in any denial about its existence. I preferred an America in which racists did not feel that they were in control. Now a lot of people will feel emboldened, that their views on diversity have also been given a mandate. Trump is never going to build a wall or ban muslims from the US but overt racism against hispanics and muslims will rise. There are already reports of this coming in from all over the country and it’s only been one day.


        • I’m replying to my own post to say that I don’t mean to be dismissive. I think that was my tone above, so apologies. I plead this excuse: I used to be married to a gal who was always wigging out about things that hadn’t even happened, and I suppose I’m a little conditioned to take an opposing stance.

          Please let the following stand in for what I said above: All that’s happened so far is that we elected a former Democrat who has a track record of saying sensational things that seem more like attention-grabs than policy proposals.


          • Well, I’d like to be so optimistic and in some moments almost succeed. But he’s just appointed the white nationalist/anti-semitic douche who was his campaign manager to be his chief strategist. So, the argument that President Trump will be far more restrained than Candidate Trump is not looking so good right now. Yes, I doubt things like mass deportations etc. will actually happen. But there’s far more systematic damage that will probably be done by other bad appointments that aren’t quite as spectacular as Bannon’s.

            But it’s also wrong to think of things like the Bannon appointment as merely distractions that liberals are overreacting to. For one thing, it’s of a piece with the fact that for plenty of people of colour around the country a lot more has in fact already happened. At the less alarming, but still disconcerting end of things, my wife, for example, was yelled at by someone driving past our house just a few evenings ago. She didn’t catch what was shouted or who it was, but no one has previously ever yelled anything at us in the 9 years plus that we’ve lived in this town. And plenty have faced far worse than random yelling. And this is in Minnesota, in a town that went 67.5% for Clinton—though the county went for Trump. For another, it’s pretty far away from acceptable norms when one of the President-elect’s first appointments is lauded by the KKK and the American Nazi Party. There’s plenty of reason for alarm right there.


          • I know what you are saying, Ol’Jas, and he is already trying to disavow himself from some of his wilder proclamations during the campaign.

            The fact remains, he got there through lies, bullying, insults, hate mongering, gross simplification of major issues, and skillful manipulation of a segment of the population that has no hope in hell of ever seeing $30 an hour manufacturing jobs again, unless everyone is prepared to pay $30 for a T-shirt at Wal Mart instead of $8 for the offshore product. It was, after all, his big corporate buddies who sent all those manufacturing jobs overseas in the first place in order to cut costs and maximize profits. At some point, hopefully before the next election, his apologists will realize that he is part of the elite that he so despises and is in no way ever going to be America’s saviour. If he had his way the United States would be as insular as North Korea.


  7. I share the dismay expressed in the original post word for word, but not because I had high expectations of a Clinton presidency. It comes down to very narrow issues. Clinton would have installed a moderately liberal majority on the Supreme Court for many years to come, she would not have attempted to hound undocumented immigrants, and she has competency in running foreign policy. That’s pretty much it, and it’s more than enough.


  8. I don’t know how many of these nightmare scenarios will actually come true but I think Clinton would have been righteous enough to not consider making Sarah Palin for Interior secretary or give her any sort of place in government, leave alone her cabinet.


    • Yeah, it sucked that Obama rescued the economy, that unemployment is way down and the markets are way up, and that 20 million people who didn’t have health insurance now have it. Save us from such a fate, Donald Trump!


  9. Seems to me what intellectuals are labeling as a “populist” vote is the first world sending a clear message it wants to topple the bureaucratic elite. Trump harnessed popular support from the bottom, to voice their opinion, however ugly you hold it to be. Trump is a conduit; a sales man, willing to do whatever to close the deal. You say you worry about the America your kids will grow up in (in the “Trump era”), I say it is the same America; these opinions have been proliferating for many era’s. Trump’s election is an effect, not a cause of such opinions. After all, is the outcome not testament of democracy?

    For what it is worth, the “Trump era” may well be very disruptive however, I think he will be less apocalyptic in the tails and therefore one view is that he actually represents a saver choice for the majority (particularly if viewed from a non-Americans perspective).


    • Well, it’s a month later, and we see that you were wrong, and the doomsayers were right: Trump’s cabinet is a house of white supremacists, plutocrats, and department heads who stand for the opposite of what their department does for a living. Rick Perry, who couldn’t even NAME the Energy Department a year ago, is now the head of the Energy Department, even though I bet you that if a gun were held to his head, he couldn’t tell you what the energy department is responsible for (atomic arsenal maintenance, atomic waste management, etc). But Trump picked him because he’s on the board of a company with “Energy” in the title. That’s the level of cognition your guy is at. So spare me the idiocy.


  10. I think that the system worked in a very fundamental way – in that it delivered the president the US deserved. The unresolved problems with the Electoral College were both well known and demonstrated, the Democrats could only field a coronated candidate after the DMC railroaded her rival, and the country in general has long confused opinion with fact (which, to tie things back to whisky, IS the foundation of NAS and where the “age doesn’t matter to whisky if I simply don’t believe it” school of “thinking” comes from), so it’s little wonder that a post-reality president COULDN’T be voted in by a post-truth electorate. As Moynihan said, “everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts”. People decided to forget that, so everyone now gets a free 4-year course at the Santayana School of Hard Knocks.

    I think that what people are really mad about is that, in its current state, the US actually doesn’t deserve a president better than Donald Trump; he’s a symptom of the country’s decline, not the cause of it.


    • The core group of the “this is not the big deal you’re making it out to be” people is probably still feeling fine, either indifferent to what happened in Charlottesville or vindicated in their feelings about it by Trump. It’s a real question, if Trump had been president in the early 1940’s, which side of WWII the US would have been on or whether, just like many other prominent people of the era, Trump would have found a lot to admire about Hitler – just as he does in the present with Putin. Taking a page from Hitler’s playbook, it doesn’t matter what Trump says or does day-to-day, so long as he remains in power and people are distracted from any investigation/mechanism that could remove him from power.

      The sad reality is that this IS the Trump that many people voted for, and it’s a bit of a cheat now, after the fact, for anyone to pretend that they were in some way deceived, hoodwinked, or given a bait-and-switch. Trump is a chameleon – a lizard that can change his colours – and he was elected ON the basis that he had few moral or political convictions. To many, it doesn’t matter, even now, how Trump was elected in terms of legitimacy because the ends justify the means – lie, cheat, swindle… so long as you win, don’t get caught, or can’t be held accountable.

      His supporters knew who and what he was, to the degree that that’s possible and that they wanted to know, and many just don’t have a problem with Nazis, and that isn’t so much a comment on Trump as it is a comment on them and the current sorry state of America.

      The Clash had it nailed down years ago:

      All over people changing their votes
      Along with their overcoats
      If Adolf Hitler flew in today
      They’d send a limousine anyway

      The Santayana School of Hard Knocks says that some people will only learn the hard way, if they learn at all, and school’s still in session.


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